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February 27, 2008 Bitch
I've tried now three times to write something for Julie's Hmm topic for the week: assertiveness, girls, and gendered expectations. Don't I have a thousand things to say about it? Yes, unfortunately, it's all a big muddle. I turned to the dictionary for clarification: as·ser·tive –adjective 1. confidently aggressive or self-assured; positive: aggressive; dogmatic: He is too assertive as a salesman. 2. having a distinctive or pronounced taste or aroma. No help there. Isn't assertive supposed to be good? Isn't aggressive supposed to be bad? Aren't we supposed to be walking the fine line between them? Do I want to have a distinctive or pronounced taste or aroma? ag·gres·sive adj. Characterized by aggression: aggressive behavior. Inclined to behave in an actively hostile fashion: an aggressive regime. Assertive, bold, and energetic: an aggressive sales campaign. Of or relating to an investment or approach to investing that seeks above-average returns by taking above-average risks. Fast growing; tending to spread quickly and invade: an aggressive tumor. Characterized by or inclined toward vigorous or intensive medical treatment: an aggressive approach to treating the infection. Intense or harsh, as in color. No, this just isn't helping at all. So aggressive is hostile? Or bold and energetic? Or vigorous? Is it possible that aggression is getting a bad rap here--that it's not all bad or all good anymore than conciliation is? Is it possible to be assertive without being aggressive? Is it possible to be assertive in such a way that no one could ever perceive you as being aggressive? Is that why, once upon a time, someone who cares about me a great deal pleaded with me before we went to a social gathering together, "Just please say something and act normal, I know you can, when you sit there and don't say anything and stare at the floor you come off like a bitch." Let's ask Psychology Today, that bastion of forward thinking on gender roles: "The real first step toward assertiveness is self-confidence. You develop self-confidence only one way—through the experience of effectiveness in the world. You have to rack up some successes all your own, in specific domains of experience." All right, but how do girls do this? Doesn't that depend on living in a social environment where girls are expected to succeed and not punished for doing so? No, no help there. Let's try this: Management Issues. "A huge difference can exist between claiming a right and being actively hostile." Really? Doesn't that depend on whether or not observers agree that it is a right you are asserting, not a privilege? Isn't the ground between what is considered a man's right or a woman's right still highly contested, where a man's right is often a privilege for a woman and hardly ever the other way around? What public woman has the right to be unattractive and not care about it? What woman has the right not to apologize for being obviously more intelligent than the men around her? What woman has the right to be as sexual as we assume men are? What woman has the right to assert her own sexuality over what her sexuality has been culturally defined as--as it relates to the desires and fantasies of men? What woman has the right not to consider herself first and foremost in a service capacity? I don't know about you, but most days I don't even feel I have the right not to smile in a public place (as I am sometimes reminded by passing men who greet my not-unhappy face with "whatever it is, it can't be that bad"). If you believe you are asserting a human right and the person you are asserting it to does not believe that you are entitled to that right, won't they perceive the act as hostile? How exactly are you supposed to control that? Is there any way, in that situation, not to be perceived as hostile that doesn't amount to acceding your human rights? Is that why, when I was younger and I couldn't cross two street corners in a skirt without someone propositioning me, my honest and immediate responses ("No") were met with hostility, anger and incredulity? ("No, really, I want to fuck you sometime. When are you at home alone?") Is that why when I was younger and I would go out all hours of the night to walk deserted bikepaths to calm my mind down on my own, the response I would get from other people was rarely fear or concern for my safety, and more often, again, hostility and incredulity? "Aggressive conduct: Glares or stares at others Assertive conduct: Makes friendly, considerate eye contact" But how can I possibly control how my eye contact will be perceived? Is this why so many women go around with those idiot grins plastered on their faces all the time? "Aggressive conduct: Values one's self more than others Assertive conduct: Values self as an equal to others" Does this mean I need to preface my assertive statements with "I value myself as an equal to you"? Wouldn't that sound kind of funny? I remember a study where highschool teachers were instructed to call on boy and girl students equally in class that day--time interactions and the number of interactions to achieve this. There was an insurrection in those classes because the male students accused the teachers of favouring the girls--imagine--girls getting precisely their fair share was perceived by the boys as girls getting favoured treatment! Is it even possible for a woman to claim her fair share without being perceived as trying to claim more than her fair share? Don't just jump and say yes. Really think about this. If mathematically precise equal interactions in a classroom are perceived as being biased in girls' favour, how do you really think a woman who is being "assertive" as in "valuing herself equally with others" will be perceived by those around her, especially men? My guess is that she will be perceived as someone who "values herself more than others," or aggressive. Is this why a boy once told me, "I don't think I could date a girl smarter than me"? The problem with contrasting aggression and assertiveness is that in the great grey muddle between the extremes, it is all too easy to view any particular action either way. When I went out dancing that night in Quebec after the boy I'd been dating there was kicked out for speaking too much English, and I danced close to that cute guy who had a crush on my friend but she didn't like him back so it was ok--and I was hoping he'd ask me home, because it was summer and home was far away and I was enjoying myself--and he did--was I being assertive, aggressive, or neither? Doesn't that depend on what your sexual morals are, specifically your beliefs about moral female sexuality? Doesn't that depend on what you think girls are supposed to want? Enough of that. Let's ask the experts: J Pers Soc Psychol. 2001 Jul;81(1):133-45. Changes in women's assertiveness in response to status and roles: a cross-temporal meta-analysis, 1931-1993. Twenge JM. That's good news. That also blows a nice big hole in all the "testosterone" theories of the innate differences between men and women. Put women in a social context where they believe they have a reasonable chance at success and, hey presto, they'll develop an innately assertive personality just as well as boys do. Mind you, this specifically does not state that their assertiveness gets them anywhere. This book preview was great, and then it cut off just when it was getting to the good stuff: "In support of these predictions, several studies have shown that when women in mixed-sex groups present their ideas in an assertive or self-directed style, they are disliked or perceived as untrustworthy and achieve less influence over men...." Don't you wish you knew what came next? Still, that snippet is good on its own. Page 648, if you're scrolling through. What do you want to bet that if those men were asked why they disliked the assertive women, they'd say it was because they were too aggressive? Women and Salary Negotiation: The Costs of Self-Advocacy No wonder it's so much easier for a woman to advocate for her kids than for herself. There's a lot more, and it's all pretty depressing. Let's leave the experts alone. I don't know about you, but I still don't know what assertiveness is exactly, or how it differs from aggressiveness in any sphere but that of physical violence. I still don't know how I can behave so that anyone will perceive that I am being assertive, and not aggressive, regardless of whether they are religious fundamentalists who think I ought to stay in the home or female athletes with a shelf full of trophies or hormonally-adled boys who have been brought up on visions of women based mostly on MTV and Maxim or doctors who think patients who consult the internet are being uppity. You know what? I can't. There is no formula for behaviour that will be viewed as assertive and not-aggressive in all situations and by all people. If I act from what I believe is a healthy interest in protecting my own innate human rights, someone will inevitably believe that I am asking for too much and getting above myself. What is seen by one as a polite and firm voice will be seen by someone else as cold; what is seen by one as a warm and friendly voice will be seen by someone else as overly emotional and inappropriate. I can't dance around stereotypes of female behaviour for the rest of my life, of what I am supposed to want and have and how I am supposed to go after it. I'm not even going to try. You can call me a bitch if you want to. Posted by Andrea at February 27, 2008 1:38 PM under Female Trouble EMAIL this entry (comments fields are below this section) Comments I think that the difference between assertive and agressive is the attitude behind the words. If you're honestly trying to act in a positive manner trying to get something positive accomplished, then more often than not, you'll come off as assertive. If you're angry about something, and you show that anger, chances are, especially since you're a woman, you'll come off as agressive. That's what I've found in my life. If I use my words well and don't show emotion, more people see me as assertive, and I get more accomplished. Posted by: attachedparent at February 27, 2008 3:33 PM
I think Andrea's point is that what looks positive to her may not look positive to the person she's asserting herself to. E.g. in my job, I have to edit other people's writing, often people who aren't actually writers but who think they can write well. If I suggest, even diplomatically in a compliment sandwich, that the opening of the letter sucks and must be changed or it will reflect badly on the company, I've had a few men of a certain age (i.e. not long until retirement) act in a way that suggests they think I'm being aggressive, not just doing my job according to my expertise. It hit me not that long ago, that I DO have to worry about being seen as strident, and I'm quite certain that men NEVER worry about that in the workplace. Posted by: cinnamon gurl at February 27, 2008 3:39 PM
This is great. It made me cry. It's true, what's right to one is not to another, and there's nothing to be done for that. This is why my point is I can't definite myself exclusively by other people---I have to, at some point, disengage from their definitions and their opinions (esp. of me). Make sense? I have to know where they end and I begin. This doesn't mean discounting or ignoring them. As CG said, I also have to worry about playing a role and about being perceived as strident, when a man could be that direct and it would be okay. A dad I know told the school, "I'm leaving because you are subpar." And they took it. Could I get away with that? Answer: no. (That's my case. Can't speak for others.) And I am known for sometimes being so diplomatic as to be obscure. The difference in my mind between assertive and aggressive is the minute things, I guess. I'm a 3 year old boy and I'm barreling through playground, bumping people out of my way to get to the slide. I'm aggressive. I'm a 3 year old girl and I'm barreling through a playground, intent on getting to the slide. I encounter people in my way. I say, "Excuse me." If they don't move, I go around them. I'm assertive. Yeah it's subjective. Of course. " "A huge difference can exist between claiming a right and being actively hostile." Really? Doesn't that depend on whether or not observers agree that it is a right you are asserting, not a privilege? Isn't the ground between what is considered a man's right or a woman's right still highly contested, where a man's right is often a privilege for a woman and hardly ever the other way around?" EEK going away...weeping... Posted by: Julie Pippert at February 27, 2008 9:03 PM
If my mind weren't cottage cheese, I'm sure I would have no end of things to say here. BTW, did you see the Globe and Mail piece yesterday on Clinton and the misogynist media spin? What I do want to add to all you have said is that more and more I am noticing how age plays into these gendered responses to our assertiveness. The men in my profession rise to positions of power as they age and corner the market on valued speech at meetings and in committees and the like. Women, as they age, are more often than not dismissed as old bats. Why speak out when you know that you have no societal power and you've been hit back by this knowledge for decades? (Uh, that would be one of those rhetorical questions.) Posted by: Mad at February 27, 2008 10:48 PM
Another blog I read (http://www.equalityloudoun.org/) was talking about this same issue, but with relation to gay families. For people in power, ANY diminuation of that power in favor of the underclass is considered unfair. That is a hard attitude to overcome, but hopefully we can do it. Posted by: liz at February 28, 2008 1:13 PM
In my experience, women who dare to speak honestly and openly about justice and equity issues are viewed as aggressive. It's almost as if there is a protocol of pretending that we are expected to follow and if we don't play along it gets us in trouble. The part of the article about women asking for equality in pay really resonated with me. In my first ministry position, I observed that my male colleague was paid 30% above his place on the recommended pay scale. I was paid according to my place on the designated scale, which was appropriate, but I wondered about the 30% difference. When I pointed this out to the board, I was suddenly seen as an aggressive, power-seeking bitch. I was out of there within a year. I think what annoyed them the most was that I wasn't quaking in my boots with fear that I might have to leave that place of employment. I know I am highly employable in my field, and my confidence in that really offended them. Thanks again for this Andrea. As always, good food for thought. Posted by: Sue at February 28, 2008 11:00 PM
I liked best your point that Julie reiterated about how perception plays into our reaction to assertiveness. I've been thinking lately, in response to this topic, about why I try so hard to be friendly to the people I bump up against during the day. I tell myself that friendliness makes my life more pleasant, but I wonder if that's just social, gender conditioning that makes me think that. Because most of the men I run into daily are looking at my ass as much as my pretty smile. Posted by: Gwen at February 29, 2008 11:55 AM
Mad, yes I did. I wanted to use it but, frankly, I haven't been following the US political scene closely enough to be able to do it well. Age is an important one too, I agree. Julie, I made you cry! That was unintentional. But, thanks. Posted by: Andrea
As a general rule I'm neither assertive nor aggressive -- I avoid conflict whenever possible, preferring to walk away -- so I don't feel that I can comment on this. Also, in the workplace I've always had female bosses except for once, so the times I've had to ask for things (a raise for instance), I've asked a woman for it -- and I think that's a completely different situation. All I know is that my son, who is not assertive, is being encouraged by EVERYONE, family members and teachers and coaches, to become more so. Posted by: Jennifer at March 3, 2008 9:29 AM
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